diff --git a/core/src/main/java/com/volmit/iris/engine/mantle/components/MantleCarvingComponent.java b/core/src/main/java/com/volmit/iris/engine/mantle/components/MantleCarvingComponent.java
index 31762626f..8d067abfd 100644
--- a/core/src/main/java/com/volmit/iris/engine/mantle/components/MantleCarvingComponent.java
+++ b/core/src/main/java/com/volmit/iris/engine/mantle/components/MantleCarvingComponent.java
@@ -58,21 +58,21 @@ public class MantleCarvingComponent extends IrisMantleComponent {
 
     @ChunkCoordinates
     private void carve(IrisCarving carving, MantleWriter writer, RNG rng, int cx, int cz) {
-        carving.doCarving(writer, rng, getEngineMantle().getEngine(), cx << 4, -1, cz << 4);
+        carving.doCarving(writer, rng, getEngineMantle().getEngine(), cx << 4, -1, cz << 4, 0);
     }
 
     private int computeRadius() {
         var dimension = getDimension();
         int max = 0;
 
-        max = Math.max(max, dimension.getCarving().getMaxRange(getData()));
+        max = Math.max(max, dimension.getCarving().getMaxRange(getData(), 0));
 
         for (var i : dimension.getAllRegions(this::getData)) {
-            max = Math.max(max, i.getCarving().getMaxRange(getData()));
+            max = Math.max(max, i.getCarving().getMaxRange(getData(), 0));
         }
 
         for (var i : dimension.getAllBiomes(this::getData)) {
-            max = Math.max(max, i.getCarving().getMaxRange(getData()));
+            max = Math.max(max, i.getCarving().getMaxRange(getData(), 0));
         }
 
         return max;
diff --git a/core/src/main/java/com/volmit/iris/engine/object/IrisCarving.java b/core/src/main/java/com/volmit/iris/engine/object/IrisCarving.java
index bf7efa6af..1da8b1a31 100644
--- a/core/src/main/java/com/volmit/iris/engine/object/IrisCarving.java
+++ b/core/src/main/java/com/volmit/iris/engine/object/IrisCarving.java
@@ -61,21 +61,25 @@ public class IrisCarving {
 
 
     @BlockCoordinates
-    public void doCarving(MantleWriter writer, RNG rng, Engine engine, int x, int y, int z) {
-        doCarving(writer, rng, engine, x, y, z, -1);
+    public void doCarving(MantleWriter writer, RNG rng, Engine engine, int x, int y, int z, int depth) {
+        doCarving(writer, rng, engine, x, y, z, depth, -1);
     }
 
     @BlockCoordinates
-    public void doCarving(MantleWriter writer, RNG rng, Engine engine, int x, int y, int z, int waterHint) {
+    public void doCarving(MantleWriter writer, RNG rng, Engine engine, int x, int y, int z, int recursion, int waterHint) {
+        int nextRecursion = recursion + 1;
+
         if (caves.isNotEmpty()) {
             for (IrisCavePlacer i : caves) {
-                i.generateCave(writer, rng, engine, x, y, z, waterHint);
+                if (recursion > i.getMaxRecursion()) continue;
+                i.generateCave(writer, rng, engine, x, y, z, nextRecursion, waterHint);
             }
         }
 
         if (ravines.isNotEmpty()) {
             for (IrisRavinePlacer i : ravines) {
-                i.generateRavine(writer, rng, engine, x, y, z, waterHint);
+                if (recursion > i.getMaxRecursion()) continue;
+                i.generateRavine(writer, rng, engine, x, y, z, nextRecursion, waterHint);
             }
         }
 
@@ -104,15 +108,18 @@ public class IrisCarving {
         }
     }
 
-    public int getMaxRange(IrisData data) {
+    public int getMaxRange(IrisData data, int recursion) {
         int max = 0;
+        int nextRecursion = recursion + 1;
 
         for (IrisCavePlacer i : caves) {
-            max = Math.max(max, i.getSize(data));
+            if (recursion > i.getMaxRecursion()) continue;
+            max = Math.max(max, i.getSize(data, nextRecursion));
         }
 
         for (IrisRavinePlacer i : ravines) {
-            max = Math.max(max, i.getSize(data));
+            if (recursion > i.getMaxRecursion()) continue;
+            max = Math.max(max, i.getSize(data, nextRecursion));
         }
 
         if (elipsoids.isNotEmpty()) {
diff --git a/core/src/main/java/com/volmit/iris/engine/object/IrisCave.java b/core/src/main/java/com/volmit/iris/engine/object/IrisCave.java
index 32ab22439..e0e818403 100644
--- a/core/src/main/java/com/volmit/iris/engine/object/IrisCave.java
+++ b/core/src/main/java/com/volmit/iris/engine/object/IrisCave.java
@@ -66,10 +66,10 @@ public class IrisCave extends IrisRegistrant {
     }
 
     public void generate(MantleWriter writer, RNG rng, Engine engine, int x, int y, int z) {
-        generate(writer, rng, engine, x, y, z, -1);
+        generate(writer, rng, engine, x, y, z, 0, -1);
     }
 
-    public void generate(MantleWriter writer, RNG rng, Engine engine, int x, int y, int z, int waterHint) {
+    public void generate(MantleWriter writer, RNG rng, Engine engine, int x, int y, int z, int recursion, int waterHint) {
 
         double girth = getWorm().getGirth().get(rng, x, z, engine.getData());
         KList<IrisPosition> points = getWorm().generate(rng, engine.getData(), writer, verticalRange, x, y, z, (at) -> {
@@ -92,7 +92,7 @@ public class IrisCave extends IrisRegistrant {
         int h = Math.min(Math.max(highestWater, waterHint), engine.getDimension().getFluidHeight());
 
         for (IrisPosition i : points) {
-            fork.doCarving(writer, rng, engine, i.getX(), i.getY(), i.getZ(), h);
+            fork.doCarving(writer, rng, engine, i.getX(), i.getY(), i.getZ(), recursion, h);
         }
 
         MatterCavern c = new MatterCavern(true, customBiome, (byte) 0);
@@ -108,7 +108,7 @@ public class IrisCave extends IrisRegistrant {
 
     }
 
-    public int getMaxSize(IrisData data) {
-        return getWorm().getMaxDistance() + fork.getMaxRange(data);
+    public int getMaxSize(IrisData data, int depth) {
+        return getWorm().getMaxDistance() + fork.getMaxRange(data, depth);
     }
 }
diff --git a/core/src/main/java/com/volmit/iris/engine/object/IrisCavePlacer.java b/core/src/main/java/com/volmit/iris/engine/object/IrisCavePlacer.java
index acaa55904..1a95493a1 100644
--- a/core/src/main/java/com/volmit/iris/engine/object/IrisCavePlacer.java
+++ b/core/src/main/java/com/volmit/iris/engine/object/IrisCavePlacer.java
@@ -50,6 +50,10 @@ public class IrisCavePlacer implements IRare {
     @Desc("The cave to place")
     @RegistryListResource(IrisCave.class)
     private String cave;
+    @MinNumber(1)
+    @MaxNumber(256)
+    @Desc("The maximum recursion depth")
+    private int maxRecursion = 16;
     @Desc("If set to true, this cave is allowed to break the surface")
     private boolean breakSurface = true;
     @Desc("The height range this cave can spawn at. If breakSurface is false, the output of this range will be clamped by the current world height to prevent surface breaking.")
@@ -60,10 +64,10 @@ public class IrisCavePlacer implements IRare {
     }
 
     public void generateCave(MantleWriter mantle, RNG rng, Engine engine, int x, int y, int z) {
-        generateCave(mantle, rng, engine, x, y, z, -1);
+        generateCave(mantle, rng, engine, x, y, z, 0, -1);
     }
 
-    public void generateCave(MantleWriter mantle, RNG rng, Engine engine, int x, int y, int z, int waterHint) {
+    public void generateCave(MantleWriter mantle, RNG rng, Engine engine, int x, int y, int z, int recursion, int waterHint) {
         if (fail.get()) {
             return;
         }
@@ -92,18 +96,18 @@ public class IrisCavePlacer implements IRare {
         }
 
         try {
-             cave.generate(mantle, rng, engine, x + rng.nextInt(15), y, z + rng.nextInt(15), waterHint);
+             cave.generate(mantle, rng, engine, x + rng.nextInt(15), y, z + rng.nextInt(15), recursion, waterHint);
         } catch (Throwable e) {
             e.printStackTrace();
             fail.set(true);
         }
     }
 
-    public int getSize(IrisData data) {
+    public int getSize(IrisData data, int depth) {
         IrisCave cave = getRealCave(data);
 
         if (cave != null) {
-            return cave.getMaxSize(data);
+            return cave.getMaxSize(data, depth);
         }
 
         return 32;
diff --git a/core/src/main/java/com/volmit/iris/engine/object/IrisRavine.java b/core/src/main/java/com/volmit/iris/engine/object/IrisRavine.java
index ca6bb7bd4..e2d9a79e4 100644
--- a/core/src/main/java/com/volmit/iris/engine/object/IrisRavine.java
+++ b/core/src/main/java/com/volmit/iris/engine/object/IrisRavine.java
@@ -93,10 +93,10 @@ public class IrisRavine extends IrisRegistrant {
     }
 
     public void generate(MantleWriter writer, RNG rng, Engine engine, int x, int y, int z) {
-        generate(writer, rng, engine, x, y, z, -1);
+        generate(writer, rng, engine, x, y, z, 0, -1);
     }
 
-    public void generate(MantleWriter writer, RNG rng, Engine engine, int x, int y, int z, int waterHint) {
+    public void generate(MantleWriter writer, RNG rng, Engine engine, int x, int y, int z, int recursion, int waterHint) {
         KList<IrisPosition> pos = getWorm().generate(rng, engine.getData(), writer, null, x, y, z, (at) -> {
         });
         CNG dg = depthStyle.getGenerator().createNoCache(rng, engine.getData());
@@ -135,7 +135,7 @@ public class IrisRavine extends IrisRegistrant {
             int width = (int) Math.round(bw.fitDouble(baseWidthStyle.getMin(), baseWidthStyle.getMax(), p.getX(), p.getZ()));
             int surface = (int) Math.round(rsurface - depth * 0.45);
 
-            fork.doCarving(writer, rng, engine, p.getX(), rng.i(surface - depth, surface), p.getZ(), Math.max(highestWater, waterHint));
+            fork.doCarving(writer, rng, engine, p.getX(), rng.i(surface - depth, surface), p.getZ(), recursion, Math.max(highestWater, waterHint));
 
             for (int i = surface + depth; i >= surface; i--) {
                 if (i % ribThickness == 0) {
@@ -184,7 +184,7 @@ public class IrisRavine extends IrisRegistrant {
 
     }
 
-    public int getMaxSize(IrisData data) {
-        return getWorm().getMaxDistance() + fork.getMaxRange(data);
+    public int getMaxSize(IrisData data, int depth) {
+        return getWorm().getMaxDistance() + fork.getMaxRange(data, depth);
     }
 }
diff --git a/core/src/main/java/com/volmit/iris/engine/object/IrisRavinePlacer.java b/core/src/main/java/com/volmit/iris/engine/object/IrisRavinePlacer.java
index 570859a63..fa65c5c79 100644
--- a/core/src/main/java/com/volmit/iris/engine/object/IrisRavinePlacer.java
+++ b/core/src/main/java/com/volmit/iris/engine/object/IrisRavinePlacer.java
@@ -50,16 +50,20 @@ public class IrisRavinePlacer implements IRare {
     @Desc("The ravine to place")
     @RegistryListResource(IrisRavine.class)
     private String ravine;
+    @MinNumber(1)
+    @MaxNumber(256)
+    @Desc("The maximum recursion depth")
+    private int maxRecursion = 100;
 
     public IrisRavine getRealRavine(IrisData data) {
         return ravineCache.aquire(() -> data.getRavineLoader().load(getRavine()));
     }
 
     public void generateRavine(MantleWriter mantle, RNG rng, Engine engine, int x, int y, int z) {
-        generateRavine(mantle, rng, engine, x, y, z, -1);
+        generateRavine(mantle, rng, engine, x, y, z, 0, -1);
     }
 
-    public void generateRavine(MantleWriter mantle, RNG rng, Engine engine, int x, int y, int z, int waterHint) {
+    public void generateRavine(MantleWriter mantle, RNG rng, Engine engine, int x, int y, int z, int recursion, int waterHint) {
         if (fail.get()) {
             return;
         }
@@ -80,14 +84,14 @@ public class IrisRavinePlacer implements IRare {
         try {
             int xx = x + rng.nextInt(15);
             int zz = z + rng.nextInt(15);
-            ravine.generate(mantle, rng, engine, xx, y, zz, waterHint);
+            ravine.generate(mantle, rng, engine, xx, y, zz, recursion, waterHint);
         } catch (Throwable e) {
             e.printStackTrace();
             fail.set(true);
         }
     }
 
-    public int getSize(IrisData data) {
-        return getRealRavine(data).getMaxSize(data);
+    public int getSize(IrisData data, int depth) {
+        return getRealRavine(data).getMaxSize(data, depth);
     }
 }